Transcript:                    This is David Brower with your 20 Minute Podcast. Our special guest today is Else Byskov from Spain, and she is the published author who wrote the book, “Death is an Illusion”, and it’s a book about Martinus, is that right?

Else Byskov:                  Yes, that is absolutely right.

David Brower:              And you were inspired to write this book after reading, he was a Danish visionary who his work must be the best kept secret, you said. So tell us a little bit about Martinus, Else.

Else Byskov:                  Oh yes, I’ll be happy to.

Else Byskov:                  Martinus was a Danish author and he was born in 1890 and he died when he was 90, in 1981. And what happened to him was that when he was 30, one day he sat down to meditate on the concept of God and he experienced two very big spiritual revelations, I suppose we could call them. Which meant that after these two consecutive meditations, he discovered that his consciousness had expanded so that he was now able to see beyond the physical world, and he could see the spiritual world that is behind the physical world.

Else Byskov:                  It was very, of course, a big surprise to him and he didn’t understand what had happened. But he now realized that whenever he had a question, the answer to that question just came down, it entered his mind immediately, and of course he didn’t understand it but he realized that, after some time he realized. And he asked some people who had read a lot of philosophy and a lot of theosophy that he had achieved cosmic consciousness and that meant that he had the energy of intuition under the control of his will, so that he could answer everything.

Else Byskov:                  I know it sounds so strange, and it really is a very peculiar thing, but he then spent the next 60 years of his life writing down the things that he could see. and It became, and is, a complete world picture comprising both the physical and the spiritual world. and It explains how the universe has been constructed and why we are here, where we coming from, and where are we going. How we can create our fate when we become knowledgeable about the law of karma. He explains what happens when we die because we don’t die, we are not identical to this physical body, and he explains also a lot of the, I mean the basic energies and many, sort of, more technical things about how the laws of life work.

Else Byskov:                  So, It is a absolute cornucopia of spiritual wisdom. But it’s not a quick fix, I mean, I have been studying it for 23 years and I still, I read in it every day; it is my big passion, because it is so fantastic. I mean nothing like it has ever been revealed on the planet.

David Brower:              And What did you, how did this come to you? Where did it find you, I suppose is the question.

Else Byskov:                  Yeah I suppose, that’s a good question. You know, I am Danish so I’m able to read Martinus’ work in its original language, but when I was close to 40 by husband and I immigrated to Spain and I was a searching soul, and a happiness searching soul for that my whole life. But I didn’t like religion, it really didn’t do anything for me so I was an Atheist for a lot of, for many years. But still of course I had questions that I wanted to know, I wanted to know what’s all this about, what is life about. [crosstalk 00:04:32] And I suppose that I’m a case that of this, they say that when the pupil is ready the teacher appears, and that certainly happened in my case because one day I opened a box of books and there was an introduction to Martinus’ world picture. I knew intuitively as soon as I saw this book, I knew that I had found what I was looking for.

Else Byskov:                  And then we bought, my husband and I, we bought all the books that we could afford, really. It took me about a year to read the major part of his work and I was so enthusiastic about it that I thought, “whoa, I have to tell somebody about it.” And that resulted in my first book called “Death is an Illusion”, which is a general introduction to Martinus’ world picture or cosmology or spiritual science, you can call it those three things.

David Brower:              Okay, so when you run this quest to write this book to share his knowledge through your eyes, I would assume, and that was your first of, what, four books on this?

Else Byskov:                  No, I’ve just finished the seventh…

David Brower:              Oh seventh! Oh my goodness gracious. So, wow! I mean that’s … I’m fascinated by that because you, I mean I believe firmly there’s no such thing as a coincidence. So for you to be able to open up that box of books and go, “Oh! There’s the book!”. How fascinating was that?

Else Byskov:                  Absolutely. It was absolutely fascinating. And of course it changed my life, I mean how could it not change my life? It changed the way I looked at the world, because after I had started the first part of Martinus’ material, I could not see the world in any other way than the way he presented it. I could not go back to the other way of looking at anything. And because Martinus’ world picture is deeply optimistic; it’s a deeply optimistic world picture.

Else Byskov:                  All the things that we think of, very bad like wars and crime and terrorism and all those things we are afraid of, they are just stages, stages on our way to becoming real, finished human beings. We are all on our way, but obviously we haven’t arrived yet, but Martinus says that in maybe only 500 years we will have changed, a whole new world culture will have arisen on this planet and it will be a much more loving place because he says in 500 years the last war will have been fought. And you know what war does, war creates pacifists. When you have been in a war and you have suffered horribly in the trenches or on the battle field and you then pass over to the spiritual plane and you are there for some time. And when you reincarnate you will be so against war that you cannot be put into another uniform. And that is how pacifist are created.

Else Byskov:                  And we can see I think on the planet today there really is a trend that many more people then maybe only fifty years ago, are much more humanitarian. They are much more willing to help when there are catastrophes around the world. They cannot stand to look at other people suffering.

Else Byskov:                  It may not look as if they are the majority, and I don’t think they are yet. But one day these loving people, the compassionate, the ones that realize that we are all one, they will reach critical mass one day. I know that today, is still the greedy and the war like and that they are in power, but it won’t go on like this. Because everyday people are dying and suffering but when they reincarnate they will have become much more compassionate, much more humanitarian, much more all- loving. And that is the way it’s going for all of us. Because nobody can understand his or her fate seen under one life perspective.[crosstalk 00:09:08] yeah, we need the larger perspective comprising infinite numbers of lives to understand the fate of anybody.

David Brower:              Well I remember when I was in the Vietnam war, and so there was a lot of pacifists around that era, around those many years of that war that, people running away, people going to Canada, whatever. Just millions and millions of pacifists. And then later in 9/11, all of a sudden, the world unites. The United States unites, everybody has this common goal, this common purpose, which didn’t last very long. But it gave you a touch of what you’re talking about.

Else Byskov:                  Exactly and that’s a very good point. So I mean there is no need to despair. I know that we despair when we think we only live this one life and we see there’s so many people are living in misery and suffering. But it’s all just, and I know, maybe I should say just because of course, it’s not very nice to be in suffering, but it really is a step on the way. It’s like life is it’s whole song and one life is only one note and you cannot understand or hear the melody as long as you only hear one note. And so we really are on our way towards a peaceful harmonious world.

David Brower:              So let me ask you, I’m very much an optimist. I believe everything in life is an opportunity. I didn’t feel that way for many, many years. But I have in the last few years and part of that is because of my faith and my belief in Jesus Christ  and so you were an atheist, I don’t know if you still are, how does my faith or my Christianity play into what you’re talking about, if at all?

Else Byskov:                  Oh, it’s a very good question. Oh, it absolutely plays in with Martinus’ work is actually the continuation of the work of Jesus, Because Jesus said when, to his disciples 2000 years ago, “I have many more things to tell you but cannot understand them now, or you cannot bear them now. But when the spirit of truth that the father will send in my name, he will lead you into the whole truth.” And actually, the work of Martinus is also called the third testament and it is fulfillment of this promise that Jesus made 2000 years ago.

Else Byskov:                  But it is a new religion. It is not supposed to be a new religion, because when 2000 years ago people were much more able to believe. But today many people, they just cannot believe because their intelligence sort of stands in the way for their ability to believe. So today we need logical answers. We need a spirituality that appeals to our intellect, because we have become so much more intellectual than we were 2000 years ago. So the third testament had to be something not an object of faith but an object that would appeal to our intellect and something that we could study. And I mean many people would maybe say “hey, what are you talking about? And How can you say that this is continuation of the vision of Christ?” But those who have read the work of Martinus are absolutely not in doubt.

Else Byskov:                  Martinus explains so many of the things that Jesus said that could not really be understood in the context, when they were spoken, because the people that lived 2000 years ago were not intellectual. They couldn’t understand it, they could only understand it with their feelings if you know what I mean.

David Brower:              Absolutely! They had to have faith because they didn’t have anything else.

Else Byskov:                  I mean if you, when you have read the Martinus material, you are not in doubt. That this is the final, the final download from the divine plane of existence to us here on the planet, because there is nothing that isn’t explained in it. And I mean my seven books they are only scratching the surface. And of course all my books are only invitations to start reading Martinus’ own work. But of course, it’s huge, it’s more than 10,000 pages. It hasn’t been, it is, a lot of it has been translated into English and Spanish and German and French and Swedish and what not. But none of it has been translated in its totality because it is such a huge job. You can imagine.

David Brower:              I can’t even imagine. Absolutely!

Else Byskov:                  So it’s only 38 years ago, 37 years ago that Martinus died. So, we are still, It’s still very early days.

David Brower:              So, when did the 500 years start? And when will it end?

Else Byskov:                  Sorry? I did not, I didn’t understand the question.

David Brower:              The 500 years that you mention earlier when did that start? Or has it? And when will it end?

Else Byskov:                  I think that it probably started 50 years ago.

David Brower:              When he was alive, right?

Else Byskov:                  Yeah but this is probably, but Martinus has probably expressed this 50 years ago so, we are definitely on our way and all those things may look very bleak at the moment. They’ll cost us, there’s armament and there’s wars in so many places.

Else Byskov:                  But Martinus, he also says that the biggest challenge facing human kind today is to become knowledgeable about the law of karma and I’m mentioning this in connection with the 500 years because when you realize the law of karma is very simple. It simply states, you reap as you sow and that means when you lie, you will be lied to, when you steal, you will be stolen from, when you cheat you will be cheated, when you kill, you will be killed and if only people would realize that one, they don’t only live once and two, that whatever they sow they will have to reap, either in this life, or in a future life.

Else Byskov:                  Then I think running around being a terrorist will sort of loose it appeal, is what I think. Because when you realize that you will reap what you sow and when you sow really bad things you will have to reap those things, if not in this life then in a future life.

David Brower:              Well at some point, you’d like to think that intellectualism if you will, would overcome hatred at some level.

Else Byskov:                  Yes. That is what Jesus, what does Jesus say is “That when somebody hits you on right chin, then give him the other, or offer him the other chin.”

David Brower:              So let me ask you, let me ask you a question, do you feel, do you have a sense that you and Martinus are related in some fashion?

Else Byskov:                  That Martinus is what?

David Brower:              That you and Martinus are related in some fashion?

Else Byskov:                  No, not related. I don’t know. I think that we are many that have been attracted to his material, because we are on wavelength with it and obviously Martinus uses those of us who are on wavelength with it to try to spread the word about it on this planet and I think that I have been so fortunate to be one of those because it seems that, that is what I am doing and I really love doing it.

David Brower:              And that was your quest for many, many years and you just didn’t know it until you found that book, right?

Else Byskov:                  Exactly! That was exactly what it was and because I have no attraction, felt no attraction to religion, I was such an unwritten piece of paper when I encountered the material and I sucked it to me like a sponge, you know? There was no, there was nothing that I had to unlearn first, you see?

David Brower:              And there was no turning back either?

Else Byskov:                  Yeah, so it was easy.

David Brower:              We’re about out of time, and I want to encourage people to reach out to you to buy your, check out your books I know you got some great reviews on Amazon about your book and is a must read for all students, all kinds of different reviews and if people will check that out it’s called again, the name of your book is death is an illusion, right?

Else Byskov:                  Yes and also on my website you can see all my books and I have a blog where I write, or I upload a new blog each month and you can get a lot of free material on my website as well and you can subscribe to my newsletter. So I would be very pleased if you would do that and yeah, subscribe too.

David Brower:              I’m fascinated!

Else Byskov:                  Exactly!

David Brower:              Okay And folks check it out. I mean what a fascinating conversation we’ve had. I’ve had goosebumps two or three times so, I can’t thank you enough for taking the time in visiting with us today from Spain.

Else Byskov:                  You are most welcome! It was definitely a pleasure.

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