How do you truly find your purpose? Is that a black and white answer or is that a journey? How do you do this?

Nicholas U.:                           Sure, and I think you would agree. I think probably it could be a journey. I think some people, especially in more men, we try to make it black and white.

David Brower:                      Exactly, yeah.

Nicholas U.:                           But I think like you said in a previous segment, maybe on the first part, if this is, if we’re on part two of the podcast, is really cool. Maybe it’s a marathon, not a sprint, and I would just open people’s eyes to the fact that what your true purpose is … There’s ways to look at so many things. If we had free energy which Tesla was working on, and we already have 3D printers, we wouldn’t really need money. That really blows people’s mind. I’m not the one to come up with talking about this., G-A-I-A dot com is a media network, and they have lots of original programming, and we look up to Gaia. They’re a big publically traded company but it’s a conscious media network but it has … You know, if you think about that, that really changes our brain. Like okay. I mean, I was all about we were raised in this country to try to make a lot of money. If you’re a guy, we know, we love beautiful women, we think, you know, hopefully we tell them the truth. By the way, I think that’s good.

David Brower:                      Right.

Nicholas U.:                           I think guys, we can do a better job of that, which includes me saying I’m not perfect and things like that, but you raise for that. That’s what you think success is. Okay. Once you get that, which I did, and if you’re still really ticked off, then it’s like … And then, by the way, I lost it all. The market crashed in 2008. I lost a bunch of real estate, millions of dollars that I built from scratch, and I was very young. Then it’s like okay, well … Or even when I had everything, I was like, am I happy? Why am I pissed off?

David Brower:                      Right? Right? No, seriously, yeah.

Nicholas U.:                           But then it’s like, okay, so now you’re on to why you’re probably on this planet, because money, again, free energy and replicators that are a bit more advanced, which by the way, we’re going to try to have them released if we could, we think that maybe they already exist. I’m not the only one to talk about this but there seems to be some indications that there could be things that are hidden for whatever reason, for the safety for the public or whatever. Tesla hide in a hotel room alone and penniless. I guess they pulled the financing on free energy because they said we couldn’t put a meter on it. We couldn’t meter it and charge for this free energy.

So, that’s okay. I mean, listen, people grow up in corporations there, they’re doing their job, that’s what they think they need to do is make money. But ultimately money is out of the equation, we all needed to survive right now. But then it’s like, what is my purpose then? And that’s really-

David Brower:                      Well yeah, if you can figure out a way, even if it’s emotional, self-talk, whatever, if you can figure out a way to get money out of the equation, real or not, so that you have a chance to really look at who are you and what you’re about and the people around you and those kinds of things, that would be a fascinating exercise.

Nicholas U.:                           Sure, and I agree. David, you probably, I can tell, you have quite a soul, you’re doing this for a reason, too. I think once we get to survival, which we all need to do, and sometimes like me, right now, sometimes I take some pretty big risks to be honest.

Even opening this yoga portion of this studio, getting it bigger, it’s not too bad, I do it intelligently. I mean, not spending tons and tons and tons, but it’s like I’ve lost it all before, and it can make us uncomfortable, but those can be the things that were on this planet to learn peace from. It might be lessons we’re even giving ourselves and yeah, I mean ultimately when people get to survival and the emotions and things keep coming up, and you know what, money isn’t an issue, those might be the things to work on.

For me, it’s becoming comfortable with employees in person now. It’s becoming comfortable with things not being efficient all the time. I’m talking about with an office. It’s like maybe that’s why I’m here to do it. I didn’t need to do it.

After we get survival out of the way, those emotions that keep coming up to you, those might be a key to your true purpose, and the tension, in the tension is beauty. You start to really sit with those feelings that are keep coming. You might start to open up to, you know, what is this leading to? Like, I want to learn from you, anger. I want to learn from you, pain. I’m sick of hating that you’re inside of me, what can I learn? I want to know what my true purpose is. You know, you can ask yourself, and then you just relax and literally, those energetic signatures, because that’s what it is. That’s what you are, that’s what we all are. It’s an energetic signature, and that’s not new-age stuff, that’s science.

Nassim Haramein says we never actually have touched anything. It’s because of that, the atoms are 99.999% empty space, and he has this whole equation for this. It’s like your energetic signature and those feelings are as well, and invite them in and love them. If we can do that, we might be opened up to more of what our true purpose is, and it might be helping people with those same things.

David Brower:                      Absolutely, which is what you’re doing, right?

Nicholas U.:                           That’s right.

David Brower:                      I mean, you took the crash.

Nicholas U.:                           Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

David Brower:                      Right? You climbed up-

Nicholas U.:                           Definitely.

David Brower:                      … the mountain, and you have all this stuff, and then you took the crash and the fall, and now you’re coming up again but more slowly, more practically, and my sense is, you’re doing it in a way where you’re able to pay it forward much more than maybe you did before.

Nicholas U.:                           Yeah, it wasn’t as big of a thing, and I appreciate, you ask great questions. I mean, David, anybody wants to know somebody who pays attention, just listen to David, over and over, because life is all about asking the right questions and the right follow up questions. I’m learning to do that more and being led by our intuition and paying attention to details can open things up.

But yeah, no, I built things up, I lost it all, and then I built it up again actually, for a couple of years, millions of dollars with an ad spend and with Google, receiving money from Google with partners like Google. Then Facebook changed something and it all kind of stopped a year or two ago, and a lot of things happened, that’s when I went to Peru. I have a little bit of money, but I also try to keep things going.

I spent 50, probably up in to six figures to try to keep the ship going and so I lost a little bit more but I kept enough to where it’s like, okay, then we’re going to sell things, we’re going to sell an info product, a course with believe. Love, and we’ll probably sell supplements. It’s a little bit interesting. I think that people can just understand, especially men, that things are not necessarily going in a linear pattern, and that includes, if you watched the movie Arrival which got like a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, Arrival came out, I think last fall.

David Brower:                      I haven’t seen it yet but I’ve-

Nicholas U.:                           I won’t give it away.

David Brower:                      … looked at the trailer. Yeah.

Nicholas U.:                           But it just shows you that time is not real. Einstein proved that time is relative, you know that. But what does that mean? We still have to wake up and go … But it’s like, it’s not necessarily like we think it is, and in that movie, she experiences things like that, and I can tell you from personal experience that that is very possible, and if anybody wants to look into timeline therapy and things that doctors do, timeline therapy and again, past life regression, you can go backwards and forwards a little bit in time.

Even this business development and things like that, the bottom line, David, is that I have to keep track of things, I believe in trying to be on the ball and, not trying, I’m probably maybe a little bit, I could relax more about it. But it’s not necessarily like that no matter how much we try to control it.

David Brower:                      Are you surrounding your, and I don’t know the answer to this, are you surrounding yourself with people that you trust so that you can let go a little bit?

Nicholas U.:                           Yeah, thanks for that question. It’s amazing because everybody’s been on time. For these interviews, I’ve interviewed like 20 people. I mean most people, a couple of people got lost, that’s okay, but really for … I’ve hired, between contractors and employees over 15 years, hundreds, probably over a hundred and …

David Brower:                      Right.

Nicholas U.:                           This project, our yoga studio’s going to be at If anybody’s in Miami Beach, is the website for that.

Everybody’s been on time, it’s actually, it’s amazing how excited people are about it, and it is almost overwhelming. To be honest, I’m going to be honest with you, David, I sit in bed. I have to honestly relax, and I’ve told a couple of the, now I’m telling everybody, whoever’s listening.

David Brower:                      Right.

Nicholas U.:                           But it’s like I have to learn to be comfortable with my own place, and to be honest, it’s not about me. I’m the guy that’s making sure everything’s going but the people are so pumped, and it is, it’s a lot of great feminine energy. I think that the masculine energy can … You know, in one direction if we use Hitler and Jesus as analogies maybe, I don’t … A lot of that strong energy, you know, I’ve been very ticked off, but you know what, that strong energy pointed in the right direction, just like yours, David.

When our energy’s in the right direction, it can heal, it can do so much. A lot of times, that feminine energy, like anybody who has, I don’t, but somebody might have a good wife or whoever, we have to at least, I think, tell them the truth, including the really tough truths about men. A lot of men, we have trouble with that maybe, and I’m talking about other women.

Whatever it is, like let’s go and talk about the facts and the respect, I think that’s the first, that’s the number one complaint I’ve heard from women over time and is honesty, and then just, yes, there are a lot of great, especially feminine energy, and when I try to think about what I tell the people that are working with us, because they’re going to do video content and reports as well at and, but they’re going to do reports for our shows, and we’re going to have more shows eventually.

But I tell them that I try to be a bridge between the tough parts of the world, because sometimes the spiritual community, they don’t want to deal with the Trump people or the people they think are evil, and I’m trying to, hopefully, bring everything, if we can, together, and try to be that bridge because I felt that strong masculine energy, and there is a lot of money in the military right now, there’s a lot of harmonization, and they’re not just going to magically give everything to everybody.

David Brower:                      That’s right.

Nicholas U.:                           They need to be reached out to. We’re going to try to do that.

David Brower:                      Well, in your line, love what you hate. I mean, that needs to be a mantra for a lot of people. They have to understand it first and grasp what the potential of that is, but that’s really appealing I think.

Nicholas U.:                           Yeah, and I could do it better too. I think, again, the thing I would emphasize for people that beat themselves up, because I have been one of them, is that sometimes we might, just because I say that, doesn’t mean I’m perfect at it. Okay, so it’s just like slightly better. Before, when somebody might’ve cut you off and you might have cussed them out, maybe you just honk. That’s better.

David Brower:                      Right, right, right.

Nicholas U.:                           Honestly, over time, there’s more things that will come into your life that might help you harness, because you’re going to want to resist it. There’s something, neurosciences in your brain, they say it’s the reptilian portion of the brain, reptilian brain, that’s a neuroscientist term, it’s a real … The fight or flight nature of that can actually make us resist what we know we need to do.

I even experienced that a little bit, but now I have these good people … Because I was wondering, should I sign a three-year lease for this office? It’s like thousands and thousands of dollars. I mean, it’s not like five figures but I did it, and I feel better. But at first, I was literally lying in bed, really having anxiety. It’s just a fear. But that’s okay.

So, everybody can have those things, and you might love what you hate gradually-

David Brower:                      When you make that commitment, when you signed that three-year lease, that piece is now gone. Then, all of a sudden, you see all this wonderful energy coming your way which is not a coincidence, I don’t believe in coincidences. And here’s all this, whether it’s feminine, whether it’s masculine, whatever it is, the idea of people showing up on time, unheard of.

Nicholas U.:                           [inaudible 00:12:37] that’s if 90%, yes.

David Brower:                      Oh my gosh, yeah. So, it feels like here’s this thing coming together organically, really, that is really pretty special.

Nicholas U.:                           It makes me feel so good, it brings to my eyes that you say that because again, when we’re used to … Anybody who does pay attention might feel a little bit angry with the world, just to be clear. I mean most people-

David Brower:                      Sure, sure.

Nicholas U.:                           You know, so it’s not like, you know, things can be a little bit … And again, even with ourselves, because then we start doubting everything and then we create our own reality of … It can also, and everything’s a reflection of us. But yeah, it does feel like that, and I think, so what’s the lesson from that? I think for everybody, it’s like small victories are good.

If you get a small victory, be thankful, and even then, yeah, you might have a reaction where you continue to doubt, and just keep going for those small victories and hopefully you have friends like David that can be like, hey, you know what, there’s something good, and they remind you like, yeah, there’s something to this, and every time … And still, we might need to thaw out a little. We might be used to doubting-

David Brower:                      Right, right.

Nicholas U.:                           … ourselves. Most people listen to this, they want to make something happen. It’s okay if it’s not perfect. If you have a day that you start doubting, just keep it going, keep it moving, right?

David Brower:                      Well, exactly. There’s a couple of things that come to mind. One is, baby steps are pretty huge.

Nicholas U.:                           Sure.

David Brower:                      You have to pay attention to those. I think the other thing is we oftentimes, if not all time, we tend to become like the people we surround ourselves with.

Nicholas U.:                           Definitely.

David Brower:                      Right? So, if I’m a thug, if I’m a bank robber, if I’m a killer, and I’m hanging out with the gangsters, guess what? That’s what I’m going to do. But, if I’m surrounded by all this energy of Nicholas Upchurch and his new yoga studio and the commitment and the love and the unknown, really, to allow those people, then all of a sudden, you start becoming mad, and your energy totally changes.

Nicholas U.:                           I think that’s definitely true. I think as long as we, for me, I have to keep in mind, you know, and I went to Tutor in downtown Detroit, and I had actually, it was great because I played football my first two years at University of Central Florida. It was all guys from Miami some … With gold teeth, and I loved them. I loved them.

Some people, there is an aspect to sort of like, people have to deal with some tough things sometimes that they didn’t ask for, necessarily. Maybe they did before this life, like maybe I asked for it, and it’s so crazy if somebody would’ve told me this when I was 12, I would’ve looked at them like they’re aliens but I would be like, hey, that we ask for those tough situation, but I’m talking about before this life, maybe.

People are born into things that are tough, I think, and sometimes they’re learning things that everybody else is doing, and I think there’s good in everybody’s heart because I’ve been absolutely, I’ve felt the most wretched hatred in my life. Now, I haven’t been to jail, and I’m not going, but it’s just like, you know what? I can honestly relate … You know, the US, to be honest, you can look at Madeleine Albright on 60 Minutes, on YouTube, talks about we killed 500,000 children in Iraq in the 90s under Bush and Clinton both, and people don’t know that. It’s the clips there. She’s on 60 Minutes saying it was tough but it was worth it, and 500,000 children.

I don’t care what race they are, that’s a pretty tough thing that we all, I contributed to with any tax dollars and … Sometimes, things, I agree overall with what, we all try to put ourselves in the best situation with peace and harmony, but I think I would be amiss if I pretended that I was perfect, or that there isn’t, all of the tough things are still a reflection, I think, even of us.

Some people have literally mental issues. Maybe they were raped as children and they do become killers, and right, maybe we didn’t do that. But, I agree, we try to put ourselves with the best people around us, but we also can keep in mind, maybe the people that need the most love are the people that are the toughest. I think we can be safe and help them, but I think we need to keep that in mind, and that includes what we think is good, meaning people like me that are starting a yoga studio.

I could have the most intense problem sometimes or let’s say the military. So, we think the US is great, and it can be great, but there’s been some tough things we’ve done, and maybe those people making those decisions under the pressure of big money and a military industrial complex, maybe they need the most love because maybe they’re not necessarily doing the right thing either. So, we can try to keep that in mind, also.

David Brower:                      I think that’s fair. As we close, I have movie for you to check out. It’s called “A Dog’s Purpose”.

Nicholas U.:                           I love that. Oh yeah. I saw the-

David Brower:                      Right-

Nicholas U.:                           … preview. No.

David Brower:                      Have you seen the trailer for that?

Nicholas U.:                           Yes, yes. The dog keeps coming … Yes.

David Brower:                      Oh my God.

Nicholas U.:                           What do you think about that?

David Brower:                      Yes.

Nicholas U.:                           Have you seen it?

David Brower:                      Yeah. My wife and I both teared up many times. It was just, I loved it. I thought it was fabulous. It was just right in line with some of things that you were saying so I thought, well if hasn’t seen it, he probably should.

Nicholas U.:                           No, I love that. I saw the trailer, it is, and I think that that is very applicable, and it reminds me. You are really doing a great service, David, I think everybody out there, we all can thank you even more and more just by trying to reach out to people, trying to give them a quick dose of inspiration, and I really appreciate you.

David Brower:                      Well, I appreciate it, man. I’ve really enjoyed this more than you know, and if folks want to reach out to you, is it believe. Love, is that where-

Nicholas U.:                           Believe. Love and-

David Brower:                      … they go or what’s the best way?

Nicholas U.:                           Yes, sure, believe. Love, and we have YouTube videos on there with all of our episodes are actually shows as well. We’ve had great people on. Chris Martenson, people that are on national TV, Josh Eldridge who’s been on hundreds of shows and you know, just great people on, and we’re going to get better and if they’d like to subscribe to the podcast, that would be awesome.

David Brower:                      Outstanding. Nicholas, it’s been a treat man-

Nicholas U.:                           Thank you so-

David Brower:                      Thank you so much and continued success.

Nicholas U.:                           Thank you, we covered a lot. Thanks, so much David. Thank you.